Navnath Sadhana, Protective Kavachas & Tantra-Astrology Remedies (Live Q&A)
A Q&A on Nath sadhana and tantra-astrology remedies.
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Navnath Chaitanya sadhana as the foundation of Nath Shabari vidya
Wake the Navnath before every shatkarma; nothing wakes before Omkar
The speaker says that in the field of Nath Shabari Vidya the Navnath are the root, so the very first sadhana is the Navnath Chaitanya mantra sadhana, which he had his group do for eleven days from Makar Sankranti. Once the Navnath have been made chaitanya, they must be woken again before any Shatkarma one ever does, because it is those nine who grant success to the karma. He compares it to Omkar: until Om is chaitanya nothing else becomes chaitanya, since everything is in Omkar. Whether one follows a tantrokta vidhan or does bhakti, if the Navnath are not woken and their alakh adesh not applied, it will not bear fruit. He adds that an experienced sadhak may doubt such a basic sadhana — like a class-ten student asked a class-one question — but that is exactly why it comes first.
Householders outside a Nath parampara get a limited vidhan; demanding the full one brings dosha on both sides
A sadhana has its copyright; the giver tells only what benefits without blemish
The speaker says disciples inside a parampara are told the vidhi in full, but for someone who cannot become a disciple, or has limits and does not want to come in fully, vidhans have been given so that one may stay a grihastha, do things in a certain way, and still gain the Navnath's grace and progress. If such a person insists on receiving the whole vidhan, then both the giver and the doer incur Dosha, because it is outside the schedule — every sadhana has its copyright, and the Nath family rightly asks why it should give its thing outside its parampara; no one will do such a foolish thing. So the giver tells only as much as benefits the other person and gets his work done — and then the seeker, given something below his level, doubts that anything happened at all.
The most accessible sadhanas are the most neglected: Gayatri, Omkar, Soham
A sadhana is not weaker for being widely known
The speaker says people neglect and ignore precisely the mantra or sadhana that is most accessible — whether the Gayatri Mantra, Omkar or Soham-Hamsa. Once a sadhana becomes widely known, people assume that since it is no longer secret it will not give fruit or have effect, and begin to undervalue it. Yet Omkar sadhana on its own is such that if someone does it, there is no need to do anything else.
Do you know, the speaker says, that people most neglect and ignore the mantra or the sadhana that is the most accessible? Whether it is that of Gayatri, of Omkar, or of Soham-Hamsa — every sadhana done in the ordinary way, everyone wants, until it becomes widespread. Once it is no longer secret, people think it will not give fruit or will have no effect, and they start to undervalue its importance. Omkar sadhana, he says, is in itself such that if someone has done it, there is no need at all to do anything further.
Meaning of Adesh and Alakh in the Nath tradition
Adesh is a corruption of Adi-Ish, Shiva; Alakh is the endless flame
The speaker says the word Nath sadhaks use is really not "Adesh" but "Adish" — Adi plus Ish, the first Lord, Bhagwan Shiva — which has been corrupted into Adesh. "Alakh" means that which has no end, the jyoti that burns forever; hence "Alakh Adesh". There are different processes for waking the alakh and different ones for giving it, but when ordinary people say "Adesh, Adesh", what it means is that we are remembering Bhagwan Shiva and bowing to him.
A brother in the sadhana group had asked what "Adesh" means. The speaker says the meaning of Adesh is available everywhere and everyone explains it, but the root of it is this: it is not Adesh, it is called Adish — Adi-Ish, the one who is first, the Lord who is Adi, that is Bhagwan Shiva. Adish has been corrupted and has now become Adesh. Alakh means that which has no end — that whose jyoti burns forever. That is why it is said "Alakh Adesh". So waking the alakh has its different processes, and giving the alakh has its different processes. Ordinarily everyone says "Adesh, Adesh"; what it means is that we are remembering Bhagwan Shiva, saying alakh adesh to him and bowing to him.
Omkar sadhana with the Omkar yantra
A silver yantra like the Bisa yantra; A-U-M and the ardha-matra
The speaker says that for Omkar sadhana one must keep an Omkar Yantra, for Trataka or for pujan; it is made like a Bisa yantra and gives the most fruit on silver. With the yantra made, do the japa of Omkar by vidhi-vidhan — either the long japa with the full utterance of A, U and M, or as large a count as possible — and it has a very special effect; much can be attained through that yantra. He cites Nathuram Godse as an example of what trataka can do, saying a biography he read in his college library described his third eye, the pineal gland, as awakened from childhood, that he entered dhyan easily, did Omkar dhyan and trataka on the Sri Yantra worshipped in his house, and was a high-level sadhak of his time. In A-U-M, he says, everyone is included — Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh — and the ardha-chandra and bindu above are Bhagavati, so all worship is done in it.
If you want to do Omkar sadhana, the speaker says, there is an Omkar Yantra. When you do a sadhana, the first thing is to keep its yantra — for doing Trataka or for pujan. The Omkar yantra has always had very great importance for Omkar sadhana. Like the Bisa yantra, a yantra of Omkar is made, and it gives the most fruit on rajat, silver. If you have the yantra made and then do the japa of Omkar by vidhi-vidhan — whether the long japa, the full utterance of A, U, M, or as many repetitions as possible — it has a very special effect, and through that yantra you can attain a great deal. As an example he names Nathuram Godse, asking that no one take offence, and says that because information about him has been hidden, people do not know the real thing: he was a very great sadhak. He read a book about him in his college library — such books, he says, are suppressed and not found in print — which said that from childhood his third eye, the pineal gland, was strongly awakened; he attained the state of dhyan easily and mostly did dhyan. His first dhyan was the Omkar the speaker has described, and the second was trataka on the Sri Yantra, which was always worshipped in his house; it is also said that a sawari or something of that kind came to him. He was a sadhak of the level that had the state of dhyan, would be absorbed in it and receive bhava in it — a high-level sadhak of his time. Read his biography if you get it, the speaker says, to see what trataka alone can do. So Omkar sadhana is a very good thing to take up: in A-U-M everyone is included — Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh — and above are the ardha-chandra and the bindu, which are Bhagavati. So all worship is done in it, and if you do it, it is a very good thing.
Assessing a pret badha before choosing a remedy: pret or bhoot, new or old, its reaction to japa
An old badha ignores ordinary puja and may take it for itself
Asked for a mantra for pret badha, the speaker says it depends on what the badha is — a Preta badha and a Bhoot Badha are two different things. If it is a pret badha, what level is it: did it come on its own or was it sent through Abhichara, is it new or old, what is its condition, and how does it react when you do path or japa — does it scream, cry, or laugh? From that you can gauge its real state. If it is old, ordinary pujan and path will make no difference to it; it may even begin to take your worship of your own deities for itself and block it — a subject he promises to cover separately. So first assess the situation, yourself or with a good knower's help.
Someone asked whether there is a mantra for pret badha. The speaker says it depends on what kind of badha it is — whether it is a Preta badha or a Bhoot Badha; the two are different things. If it is a pret badha, then of what level? Did it come by itself, or did someone send it through Abhichara? Is it new or old? What is its state? If you do path and japa, what reaction does it give — does it scream, cry, or laugh? From that you can estimate its real condition. At the same time, if it is an old thing and you do ordinary pujan and path, that will make no difference to it. It will, in a sense, take your puja-path as its own. He used to write articles on Facebook and stopped because of copy-pasting, and now puts videos on YouTube; he will cover this topic — how such a thing itself begins to receive the worship of someone's devi-devata, how it blocks it completely, and how everything you do starts going to it. If there is a pret badha, he says, first of all you should look and assess — yourself, or with the help of some good knower — and see what the situation is.
Kavach and vajra panjar for a home where badha stops all worship, siddh-ed in a Shiva temple
A kavach only strikes; a vajra panjar cages, then strikes
The speaker says that if the situation is such that you cannot do pujan at home and there is great unrest, you should awaken some mantra or tantrokta Kavach by doing its path for some days — at the least the Panchmukhi Hanuman kavach, the Aghor Shiv kavach, the Indra Vajra kavach, the Indrakshi kavach, any kavach of Bhagavati Durga or of Kamakhya, or the Aprajita kavach; there are also stotras such as Vipreet Mahapratyangira and Maha-Vipreet, and the separate kavachas and vajra panjars of the Mahavidyas. A vajra Panjar has ten times the power of a kavach: panjar means the rib-cage, so it throws a full ring round the entity — a kavach only strikes, a vajra panjar binds and then strikes, so that it dares not return, and it can not only remove a pret badha but punish it. Any deity's vajra panjar, kavach or Mahavidya stuti should be understood properly and siddh-ed in a Shiva temple — with a Sankalpa, by vidhi-vidhan, keeping Brahmacharya and every rule, and never abandoned however great the obstruction or pain — in the temple, not at home. After a fixed time a shakti comes, or guidance comes, by which the badhas are pressed down; done only at home, it will be of no use if the badha is big.
If the situation is such, the speaker says, that you are unable to do pujan and path at home, the asan and the house are in great unrest, then some mantra, some Kavach, some tantrokta kavach should be awakened by doing its path and japa for some days — at the very least the Panchmukhi Hanuman kavach, or the Aghor Shiv kavach, or the Indra Vajra kavach, the Indrakshi kavach, any kavach connected with Bhagavati Durga, a kavach connected with Kamakhya Maa, or the Aprajita kavach. There are such kavachas and such stotras — you will have heard of Vipreet Mahapratyangira; there is also a Maha-Vipreet — and besides Aparajita there are the separate kavachas of the Mahavidyas, and there are vajra panjars. A vajra Panjar is such a thing, he says, that alongside a kavach it has ten times the power of a kavach. If someone has done a vajra panjar, it can not only remove pret badhas completely, it can also punish them. The name itself is vajra panjar, the panjar of a devi or devata: panjar means the bones — the ribs of our chest — and it works in that manner, throwing a complete ring around. A kavach only strikes, but a vajra panjar binds and then strikes, and after that the entity does not have the courage to come. So the vajra panjar of any devi-devata, or such a kavach, or a Mahavidya stuti — understand these things well by vidhi-vidhan, and siddh them by going to a Shiva temple, doing the path regularly, taking a SankalpaA formal ritual resolution spoken aloud before an offering or observance, declaring its intent and dedicating its merit., by vidhi-vidhan, staying in BrahmacharyaStrict celibacy required through an extended ritual observance., following all the rules, and not abandoning it however much obstruction or pain there is — but it is to be done in the temple, not at home. Then after a fixed time you receive an energy, a shakti, or through it, by its grace, things become such that these badhas begin to be pressed down, or you begin to receive guidance on how to press them down. If you do not do this and do it only at home, there will be no benefit if the badha is a big one.
Caution: nobody with an awakened kundalini teaches the process on YouTube
The speaker disclaims kundalini jagran; his own path is mantrokta and grihastha
Asked to make a video on Kundalini awakening through Soham, the speaker says plainly that he cannot lie: his kundalini is not awakened and he does not know its vidhan. To those searching YouTube for a kundalini-jagran process he says that whoever has actually had the awakening will not come on YouTube and explain how it is done. He allows only that by guru's grace he has attained certain states of that path; otherwise his whole vidhan is mantrokta and sattvik, he is entirely a grihastha sadhak, and he urges householder sadhanas.
A listener asked what kind of Kundalini awakening comes through Soham, and whether he would make a video on it. The speaker says he cannot lie at all: his kundalini is not awakened, nor does he know the vidhan of kundalini jagran. To those searching YouTube for the process of kundalini jagran he says this: the person whose kundalini has awakened will not come onto YouTube and explain the process of awakening it. He will say only this much — that by guru's grace he has certainly attained some of the states of that path; for the rest, his whole vidhan is mantrokta and sattvik, he is completely a grihastha sadhak, and he urges people to do householder sadhanas. The process of kundalini jagran he does not know, and he refuses it clearly.
Jyotish and tantra are complementary: reading a long-blocked life
Dasha, third house, lagnesh and ninth house first; guru-parampara sadhaks need no chart
Asked by someone whose life has felt blocked for twenty years, the speaker says jyotish and tantra are complements, not rivals — jyotishis who call tantra a fraud and tantriks who call jyotish a fraud are both wrong, and combining the two solves every problem. First have a good jyotishacharya read the chart: which graha's Dasha and antardasha is running; whether the third house, the house of parakram, is under some planet's drishti that blocks all one's effort; the state of the lagnesh, which is most important; and the ninth house of bhagya. One should also have the chart read for one's Ishta Devata and kula shaktis. But if you already do regular pujan by a tantrokta vidhan and belong to a Guru Parampara, you do not need the birth chart — trust your guru completely and keep going. If you are an ordinary person with troubles, take the chart's remedies, and note that Rahu, Ketu and Shani doshas point to upari badha or abhichar, for which take help from the tantrokta side; find the middle path with both.
A listener said his life had been blocked for twenty years and asked what the reason could be. The speaker says there must be some cause, and two things must be considered: jyotish and tantra. Some people — jyotishis especially, go into their groups — declare tantra to be pure fraud and wash their hands of it; and good tantriks call jyotishis frauds. The reality, he says, is that jyotish and tantra complement each other. If you go forward combining the two, every problem finds its answer; it is better never to belittle one with the other. In jyotish, first look: if you feel blocked for twenty years, meet a good jyotishacharya and have your chart analysed. Which graha's Dasha and antardasha is running? What reason makes everything feel completely stopped? The house of parakram — the third house — if some planet's drishti falls on it, it can completely block your parakram, whatever work you are doing; that should be looked at first. Then look at the state of your lagnesh, which is the most important thing for what is and is not happening. And the state of bhagya, the ninth house. Get all this analysed by a good jyotishacharya first — that is the first thing he would say. The second matter is your Ishta Devata and your kula shaktis; one should certainly have one's birth chart analysed with jyotish and keep it in view. It is not, he says, that you bypass jyotish and plunge into tantra, or bypass tantra and go off into jyotish; both are complements. If you are doing regular pujan and path by a tantrokta vidhan, by some vidhan, and are joined to a Guru Parampara, then you do not need the birth chart: trust your guru completely and keep moving; you have no problem. If you are not a sadhak of that level and are an ordinary person with troubles and pain, then have your chart analysed through jyotish and see what the trouble is and what remedy they suggest. Also, doshas related to Rahu, Ketu or Shani indicate upari badha or the effect of abhichar; take a little help from there, and take the rest from the tantrokta vidhan. Combine the two, find the middle road, and by doing vidhi-vidhan accordingly make your life successful — take both along.
Sadhana without a guru mantra: the Navnath as the nine gurus
No guru is no reason to stop; Guru Shabari on Guru Pushya
Asked by someone who has a guru but has not received a guru mantra, the speaker says it is not a matter for much worry. A guru mantra is necessary and a Guru is absolutely necessary — but the idea that without a guru one's bhakti or puja-path is diminished or will not bear fruit is wrong, and he does not agree with it; those who plant such doubt in people's devotion do the greatest wrong. He has a video on which sadhanas can be done without a guru. In Shabari, the Navnath he had the group awaken are themselves gurus — nine gurus; on the 28th, Guru Pushya Nakshatra, he will have the Guru Shabari done again, and he has given three or four guru-related sadhanas before — start with these and do not stop. If you have a guru who is not giving the mantra, talk to him.
Remedy for sudden flashes of anger: mishri water in a copper lota at the bedhead
Copper for Mars, water for Moon, mishri for Sun; never on Sunday
Asked about anger that flares suddenly over trivial things, souring the home, yet subsides within a minute, the speaker first asks whether the person is of Kumbha lagna with Surya and Mangal as lagnesh in the lagna — then such quick-rising, quick-cooling anger is expected. If the lagna is something else and the trouble persists, the one remedy is: every night fill a copper lota with water, add a little rock mishri, keep it at the bedhead, and in the morning offer it to Tulsi ji — not onto the plant, but poured near its root — six days a week, leaving out Sunday; relief comes in some days. His jyotish reasoning: Surya is the atmakaraka, Mangal the chief karaka of anger, copper represents Mangal, water the Moon and mishri the Sun, so this works as an utara of all three. He adds: also get a medical check — blood pressure and the like.
A listener said that on any small wrong matter he gets sudden anger and irritability, which turns the atmosphere of the house negative, though the anger calms within a minute. The speaker first asks whether he is of Kumbha lagna — with the lagnesh in the lagna being Surya and Mangal, according to jyotish. In that case such a thing can happen: anger will climb suddenly like mercury and then calm down at once; it will not stay long. If that is not the situation — the lagna is something else and this trouble is happening — then the best thing is a single remedy for the anger that keeps coming: every day, at night, fill a copper lota with water, put a little rock mishri in it, and keep it at your bedhead. When you get up in the morning, offer it near Tulsi ji. Take care: it is not to be poured on the plant; it is to be put near her root. Do this continuously for six days of the week, leaving out Sunday. In some days you will surely get relief. The jyotish reason, he says: first, Surya is the atmakaraka; second, the greatest karaka of anger among the grahas is Mangal. Copper represents Mangal, water represents the Moon, and gur or mishri is somewhere the Sun's. So when you do an utara, as it were, with these three things, you get an auspicious effect, and the anger and irritability that keep coming will lessen. Second, he says, also get yourself seen medically — get tests done and see whether something is high or low, whether blood pressure keeps rising; that too should be looked at. Take everything together.
Why a simple sadhana feels unconnected: Mayong and the spoken transfer of a siddhi
In tantra the real work takes two minutes; a vidya is passed over rice
When a participant said he could not connect with the Navnath sadhana as with earlier ones, the speaker says this happened to everyone because the sadhana was so simple — and people today dismiss simple things, though in tantra the actual work is a two-minute affair. He gives Mayong, near Assam, famous for its magicians, where the most tantra-abhichar work is done: anyone who knows will tell you it is that simple and runs entirely through parampara. As in his video on how a siddhi is transferred, traditional vidyas are given so simply that at a fixed time one only has to speak — "from today this thing of mine, such-and-such itar-yoni being, you take it" — read over rice, hand the rice over, and it is done; to call it there is a name and a mantra of barely a few syllables. So the simpler the sadhana, the less engagement it demands — just 21 mantras and a bhog — and the less connected an experienced sadhak feels, while newcomers who had never done sadhana enjoyed the decorating and gained atma-bal, which was needed.
A participant said that this time he could not cut himself into the sadhana as in the previous one. The speaker says this was not with him alone but with everyone, because the sadhana was so simple. The biggest thing today is that people think of simple things — "this was so easy, so small". But in tantra, he says, the work is a matter of two minutes. He gives an example: Mayong, which lies near Sikkim, near Assam, where the most tantra-abhichar work is done and which is famous for its magicians and sorceresses. Ask anyone there who knows a little, and he will tell you how simple it is — the whole thing runs in parampara. He has posted a video on how a siddhi is transferred, with the whole vidhan; listen to that first and you will understand very well how traditional vidyas are given. Those vidyas are so simple, it happens so easily, that at a fixed time one only has to say it. As if he were saying: "Deepak ji, from today this thing of mine — such-and-such a thing, some being of an itar-yoni, some bhoot-pret — here, you take it, you receive it." He only has to say that, read it over rice and give it — "here, it is yours" — you take it in your hands, and it is yours; finished. To call it there is some name, with a word of barely two or four letters attached: read that mantra and your work starts happening. In the same way, the simpler a sadhana is, the more it feels that "I am not connecting", because you did not have to engage much — only 21 mantras to read and a bhog to give. Another brother had the same doubt, whether it was happening rightly. The new people, who had never done any sadhana, stayed connected, because doing so much work so nicely engaged their minds and they enjoyed it; those who had already done some sadhanas felt "what is this, it was so easy, so simple", and had a little problem connecting — that he understands. But he had said he would go from the very beginning: the brothers who had been left behind, with no sadhana, gained atma-bal by doing this little, and that was necessary.
Navnath, guru sadhana and ishta mantra as the protective layers before any prayog
Throwing a lemon without awakened gurus invites the counter-attack
The speaker gives an example of what the simple sadhanas are for: suppose a friend's house has a tantra in it, something that walks at night. The Navnath one has learnt to awaken are the first to protect you when you wake them, and by their grace and adesh your other mantras will run. Second, the guru sadhana he will give makes all mantras protect the sadhak himself and his family. Then the Ishta Devata's mantra that he will have siddh-ed is what one goes and throws there — a lemon, say — and the mantra will work there; but when the attack comes back at you from there and you have not woken your gurus, not given them bhog and prasad, and have no guru or diksha from anyone, that is the danger. That is why he has said he will have sadhanas done for a whole year: what he gives first has the greatest importance, and only then does one use the rest.
Mansik puja as the highest worship
The mind's bhava outweighs any material offering
The speaker says Mansik Pooja has been called the best of all pujas: when no upachar is available, a person should do mental worship, and it gives the most fruit. Even otherwise the manas matters most — you may offer any amount of material, but if you offer a rose to Bhagavati while thinking how nice it would have been to give it to your girlfriend, your mind is elsewhere, the bhava has gone to someone else, and how would Bhagavati accept it?
Mansik Pooja, the speaker says, has been called the best puja. When no upachar is available, a person should do mental worship; mental worship gives the most fruit, and the manas has the greatest importance. However much material you offer — here you are offering a rose to Bhagavati, and in your mind is your own girlfriend: "this one had to be given to her, how beautiful, if only I had given it to her." Then your manas is elsewhere, your mind is elsewhere; how would Bhagavati accept it, when your bhava has attached to someone else? So the importance of the mental element, he says, is very great.
The most effective kavach against bhoot-pret is your own ishta's
Hanuman Chalisa alone is enough for an ordinary sadhak whose ishta is Hanuman
Asked which Kavach is most effective for freedom from bhoot-pret effects, the speaker says: the kavach of your own Ishta Devata, the one you trust most and about whom you have no doubt. His own ishta is Hanuman ji, in whom he has full faith, so for him it is the Hanuman Chalisa; done alone it is the best method, and after that an ordinary sadhak needs no other kavach at all. So awaken the kavach of your ishta.
Which kavach is most effective for becoming free of the effect of bhoot and pret? The speaker answers: whoever your Ishta Devata is, the one in whom you have the most trust — that deity's Kavach, about whom you have no doubt. His own ishta is Hanuman ji, he says, and he trusts him completely; so for him it is the Hanuman Chalisa. Even if you do the Hanuman Chalisa alone, it will be the best method, and after doing it you will have no need to do any other kavach — if you are an ordinary sadhak. So you can awaken the kavach of your own ishta.
Ajapa jap of a deity's name with every breath is enough
Mental japa of "Om Shiv Goraksh" through the day
Asked whether "Om Shiv Goraksh" may be repeated mentally all day, with every breath, the speaker says it certainly can be done. However much Ajapa Jap of Bhagwan's names you do — that is, mental japa — is enough.
A listener asked whether he can do the jap of "Om Shiv Goraksh" mentally day in and day out, with every breath. Yes, the speaker says, it can certainly be done. However much you do the Ajapa Jap of Bhagwan's names — that is, japa done mentally — that is plenty.
Remedy for prolonged financial distress: a Shivling at home, daily water and the Rudrashtakam
A Shivratri-night rudrabhishek if one can afford it
For someone who has been in severe financial trouble for some twenty years, the speaker says the most solid remedy, if one is able, is to have a Rudrabhishek done at night at Shivratri. If one cannot afford that and wants something simple, keep a Shivling at home if possible — it can be done at home — and regularly offer water to it while reciting the Rudrashtakam; even that much will be a great deal. He does not prescribe more without knowing what the person already does, and invites them to describe their situation in the Telegram group for closer guidance.
A listener asked for the most solid remedy for a financial condition that has been bad for some twenty years. The best remedy for him, the speaker says, is this: if he is able, have a Rudrabhishek done at night at the time of Shivratri. If he is not financially able and wants to do something ordinary, then if there is a ShivlingThe aniconic form of Lord Shiva worshipped at home and in temples. in the house that is good — it can be done at home; otherwise regularly offer water and, along with it, recite the Rudrashtakam. Even doing that much will be a great deal. If he wants to do more and is a sadhak, he should comment — the speaker says he does not tell more because he does not know what the person already does; if he says too little there will be doubt that he is telling too little, and if he says more, the person may already be doing a lot. So first tell him, or join the Telegram group and describe the trouble there, where he can guide better.
Kaal sarp dosh or a heavy Mars: Hanuman and Shiva sadhana are sufficient
Keep the rhythm; nothing more is needed
Asked by someone with Kaal Sarp Dosh and a heavy Mangal who already does Shiva sadhana whether that is sufficient, the speaker says yes: the sadhana of Hanuman ji and Shiva ji is sufficient — just keep doing it in rhythm.
A listener said Mangal is heavy in his chart, with Kaal Sarp Dosh, and he does Shiva sadhana — is that sufficient? The speaker answers that the sadhana of Hanuman ji and Shiva ji is sufficient. Just keep doing it with rhythm, he says.
A stotra's deity does not cause uchchatan unless the sadhana clashes with the kula shakti
A peaceful kuldevta versus a mahavira or astra sadhana
Asked whether the deity of a stotra one is reciting can itself cause Uchchatan, the speaker says no — that shakti will not do it, unless you are making a mistake. The first thing a person must see is who his kula shaktis are — the beings he accepts as kuldevta. If, for instance, a Brahm is your kuldevta and you take up a Mahavidya, mahavira or astra-mantra sadhana, they will suffer, and when they suffer they will give you suffering; the sadhana will fail and you will blame the path you began, when the mistake is at the root — you picked the wrong sadhana. First look at them, take their adesh, learn what kind of sadhak they were or whether they were a paishachik shakti that was pacified and seated; only then begin a sadhana. Apart from that, one is not ordinarily uprooted unless a mistake is made — a test by the deity is a separate matter and does not happen so easily.
A participant asked whether the deity of a stotra he is reciting could cause uchchatan on him. No, the speaker says — that shakti will not do Uchchatan of him; but if he is making some mistake, that is different. He had explained long ago, on Facebook too, how any stotra path becomes fruitful. That is why he says that first a person should look at the shaktis of his kula: who the kula shaktis are — the ones he has to accept, whom he regards as kuldevta. Suppose those are your kuldevta and you have taken up the sadhana of the Mahavidyas over here, or are doing the sadhana of some astra mantra — then they will suffer. When they suffer, they will give you suffering. The sadhana will not succeed — and whom will you blame? You will say, I began this path and puja and my troubles started. Where is the mistake? The mistake is at the root: you took up the wrong sadhana. First look at them, take adesh from them; see what kind of sadhaks they were, or whether they were a paishachik shakti that has been pacified and seated. All this has to be seen; only then should a sadhana be begun. That is where one trouble comes from. The second thing, he says, is that ordinarily a person is not uprooted like this unless some mistake happens — or unless it is a test, which is a separate matter; a test does not ordinarily come about so easily.
Unrest at home during a huge stotra anushthan is a test before the result, not a failure
Thousands of Ganpati Atharvashirsha paths with havan at every hundred
The speaker says uchchatan does come when one has done a very great amount. He knows two or three people who recite the Ganpati Atharvashirsha in the thousands — taking a sankalp of a thousand paths, doing Havan at every hundred — and who tell him that nothing is changing in their lives. He tells them to stay positive: they are creating an enormous energy with a stotra said to grant every punya and erase the greatest graha doshas, and when that energy comes to give, it will give a great deal; having done so big an anushthan they will not receive anything small, so they are first tested to see what level they can go to, and only accordingly do they receive. In that state of test, uchchatan will come — peace will break, there will be fights at home — but that is not a negative effect of the sadhana, merely the vidhan for passing from that level to the next. Separately, he adds, if the mind turns away from a path it may just be that going to one place too often makes the mind wander — it is fun at first and then drops off — which is a different matter.
Uchchatan does happen, the speaker says, when you have done a very great deal. Two or three people connected with him on Facebook have done a very large number of paths of the Ganpati AtharvashirshaA Vedic Upanishadic hymn drawn from the Atharvaveda (here, to Ganapati) — self-proven (Siddha), but its Vedic mantras demand correct pronunciation.. He truly sees, he says, that these people do so many paths — they take sankalps of thousands: "I am taking the sankalp of a thousand paths," they tell him, and when it is complete they do the Havan — doing a havan at every hundred paths — and tell him, "Guru ji, my thousand paths are done." And yet he sees that no change is coming in their lives; they say nothing has changed. He tells them: stay positive. What you are doing is creating a very great energy — thousands of paths of the Ganpati Atharvashirsha, about which it is said that if you recite it in the morning and at night every kind of punya is obtained and the greatest graha doshas are erased. These people are doing that in thousands and say nothing is happening. That, he says, is simply a test taking place; it is called a test. Because the energy being created there, when it comes to giving, will give a great deal. Having done such a big anushthan, they will not receive anything small — small is not what they are fit to receive. They will first be tested to see how far they can go, and only according to that will they receive. So the condition of a test forms there, and there uchchatan will happen, peace will be disturbed, there will be quarrels in the house — and then one says, yes, the test is going on. This is not a negative effect of the sadhana; it is merely the vidhan for going from that level to the level beyond. Later, answering why the mind keeps slipping away from a path, he says it is as people say: going to one place too much makes the mind turn away, so at the start it is enjoyable and later the mind slips — but that is a separate matter.
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