Trivacha
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A threefold utterance or repetition used to formally seal a ritual statement or vow.
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Why a maran prayog works: the years of seva, the siddhi and the trivacha behind it
The speaker says a maran prayog or a projection of negative energy is never just picked up and sent; the one who did it has done tapasya. The sadhak who misuses in this way has served the shamshan, the Masan or his guru for 40 days, 50 days, a month, a year or more, received that vidya through the service, and made it siddha with great difficulty. When the deva, the masan-masani or whatever shakti appeared, a Trivacha was made with it. Even if it is a kshudra shakti, he says, the Mantra Japa done for it gave it strength, the energy was satisfied, and it gave its word. So when he later invokes that siddha energy against you, to destroy you or hurt you, it has to do the work, because it has given its word and is under the sway of the tapasya done for it.
Aggressive Astra Mantras fired at a client's own Kuladevata rebounded on the practitioner, causing severe spiritual, physical and financial ruin
A practitioner who gained early relief and quickly began offering commercial Tantric consultations without full Siddhi misdiagnosed a client's physical affliction — actually their own lineage deity's disciplinary punishment for misconduct — as an external attack, and unleashed aggressive Astra Mantras against the Kuladevata, which then turned its wrath on the practitioner himself, causing severe spiritual, physical, and financial ruin.
How does an occult attack unfold differently against a household protected by an Upadevata versus one protected by a folk deity (Loka Shakti)?
Against an Upadevata-protected household, the attacking entity first negotiates a limited, temporary compromise with the resident deity through occult vows — but active worship in response compels the resident protector to fully intervene; against sincere devotees of Loka Shaktis like Jaharveer Baba or local Yoginis, minor attacks fail outright and even severe ones are buffered to a fraction of their intended harm.
Which mantra of the Durga kavach should jyotish and tantra students jap?
Each mantra of the kavach can also be recited independently, and it is from this kavach that we utter the Navadurga mantra. Those learning jyotish, learning vastu, wanting proficiency in tantra, wanting to take the trivacha of the shaktis of tantra, or engaged in the siddhi of the trinetra, should continuously jap the Navadurga mantra described in the kavach — "prathamam Shailaputri, dvitiyam Brahmacharini" up to "Navadurga prakirtita".
May an ordinary person give the tantrokta arghya with black pepper?
In the tantrokta vidhans it comes that arghya should be given to Surya with black pepper and other kinds of dravyas added, the speaker says — but an ordinary person should not perform this kriya, because the mantras will then become excessively effective and it is possible that their tej will itself trouble you. Give arghya with ordinary water alone, but with thirty-six recitations.
The subject begins with those on whom abhichaar has been done and whose upayas bring no relief
He begins from those afflicted by tantra and abhichaar — people on whom some tantrokta kriya has been done, who are greatly troubled and are taking the support of many prayogas, but who get no particular relief from those upayas. Understand first, he says, what is behind that, and why it happens, and how much importance a vachan carries and how far it reaches.
Householders born into sadhak families often want to be rid of the shakti their grandfather established
He says that in the Kalikaal now running, there are several people in his own Grihastha Tantra family who belong to the family of some good sadhak and who want to be rid of the very shaktis established in their kula. Somebody's grandfather, somebody's father was a good tantra sadhak and acquired some shaktis; now they are in difficulty and want release from it.
What is the difference between seeking a shakti's kripa and taking a vachan from her?
When you perform a high-grade sadhana and wish to obtain the kripa of a particular shakti, he says, that is a separate matter. But when you want that shakti to become manifest and give you a vachan — and you have come to know, say through some guru, what is to be taken in a vachan and what trivacha is — then you begin that sadhana, and things are different.
Forty-one days of service in exchange for lifelong obedience is a bargain nobody would accept
He puts it to the listener directly: if he were to say he will serve you for forty-one days but afterwards you must obey him for the whole of your life, would you agree on that basis? Taking a listener named Rajesh Sharma as the example, he says he served him fully for forty-one days — food and water on time, all his shringar articles, the paan, the tea — and Rajesh Sharma saw that he was doing it by rule; but is that a complete examination for lifelong obedience?
Trivacha of nikrishta shaktis must never be done, however great the enticement
The most important thing to remember, he says, is that one should never do the trivacha and the like of nikrishta shaktis. And even from somebody's enticement, a trivacha does get done once.
In what form does a shakti become manifest when a vachan is taken?
Asked what three vachans are and how the shakti becomes manifest after sadhana — in a manavi swarup, or in a sukshma swarup, or in what manner — he says this depends upon your guru. It is the gurus who, when you will do pratyakshikaran practically, take you into all these things.
Pratyakshikaran is like a twenty-five lakh car — the maintenance begins after it comes home
Hear the whole matter, he says — do not leap from here saying yes, we want to do pratyakshikaran; know what comes after it. Bring a car home, it is a very good thing, show the whole world you have a car worth twenty-five lakh; but if you bring a twenty-five lakh car you will have to keep its maintenance the same way — the year's insurance money, its washing expense, fifty kinds of thing. So know this in full first.
What does the guru do before the shakti is made to appear?
When the guru, of his own wish, has given you divya drishti and the rest — what is called opening the eyes — saying that in this manner you will be able to see that shakti; when he has seated you in a raksha ghera and the like; and a forty-one day sadhana, or a three-to-four month sadhana, or a year-long sadhana has taken place — then, when such a shakti became manifest to you, you were told to take three vachans.
What are the three vachans usually taken?
There are rules for after the vachan is given and rules for before it, he says, and the vachan is also administered in different ways. But in the three vachans the chief thing remains this: when I call, you will have to come; where I send you, you will have to go; and whatever I say to do, you will have to do. Ordinarily, in bhagatvaal, it is chiefly on these very things that the vachan is taken. These are the three vachans.
Is a vachan taken in high-grade tantra at all?
When you go into the high-grade tantra kshetra, he says, vachans of this kind do not happen there. There, when the shaktis become manifest, the bhav itself becomes different; taking a vachan of the sort that I will take these three vachans and do this does not come about. There the sadhaks become surrendered — a sadhak who has obtained divya drishti, seeing such a grand shakti even in a sukshma form, falls at her feet overwhelmed with bhav and says: whichever shakti you are, in whatever form you are, only bestow your kripa.
What rules does the shakti impose on a householder in return?
If you are a householder there, the shaktis will have their own rules, and they too will have you observe them according to their vachan: that you cannot live in householder life in such and such a manner; that you must behave with your wife in this way and this way. You will be bound in all these things — this you are not to eat; before eating you must give bhog in this manner; these works you can never do; these shaktis you can never worship; these mantras you cannot japa. The guru also tells this, and when such a vachan-vaacha takes place, they too tell it.
How does a vachan change the daily routine of a householder?
Doing all this, a shakti is taken in trivacha. Now the siddhi has happened; but when you come into householder life, earlier you used to wake from sleep at ten o'clock. Until the siddhi had not happened you woke at ten. Now the siddhi has happened and you have given a vachan — and according to the vachan the first bhog, the first food, ought to be offered by seven o'clock in the morning.
What if the bhog is simply not given?
You think that if I do not offer it nothing will happen. For how long? For two days, four days, a year, two years nothing will happen to you. But when you have taken a vachan and perfected her and kept her, and you are not giving her bhog — having left her own lok and her own place, she remains with you always in an ansha form. Once the vachan has happened, in ansha form she will most certainly remain, whichever shakti she may be, whatever her lok may be. So when you do not give it, there is trouble.
Trivacha should not be taken without a guru genuinely of a high grade and high state
Therefore, he says, whenever you read of trivacha, wish to take a vachan, or perform kriyas of this kind, you should keep very particular care. Without obtaining some guru who is genuinely of a high grade and who has attained a high state, one should not take it.
What should a householder do instead of taking trivacha?
Therefore, living in householder life, one should try to avoid trivacha, he says. Do sadhana always taking this sankalp: for obtaining the kripa katak of Bhagavati, for obtaining the kripa katak of Bhagavan Bhairav. There is no need to fall into trivacha if you are in the grihastha. You should be concerned with your work being completed.
What is the sign that something is wrong in a trivacha offer?
But before taking a trivacha from anyone, or when a kriya of that kind is being offered to you as an enticement, or when it is being said to you with the chest thrown out that you will absolutely become manifest and such a thing will happen — then, he says, there is something black in the pulses. Keep this in mind.
Why did dreams of a shakti stop after they were told to everyone?
A listener writes that he used to have darshan of a shakti in dreams and used to tell everyone. That, the speaker says, is exactly why the seeing stopped. He points to three or four separate videos on the channel explaining each subject: what happens if someone gives you a vachan in a dream and how it has to be taken or given; what should be done if someone gives you a mantra in a dream; what should be done if in a dream you are being taken to some tirtha kshetra or something is being shown to you again and again; and what happens when you tell your experiences. Watch all of them, he says, and save yourself from all these things.
Why would experiences reduce after the guru who gave a Hanuman trivacha has died?
A listener says a trivacha of Hanuman ji was taken by guru kripa, but since the guru ji passed away the experience is reducing, though there is no lessening in his surrender or in his bhav of puja. The speaker says this is a thing to think about, and that ordinarily this should not happen — because Hanuman ji is Hanuman ji, and nobody has so much capacity that they should give his trivacha and afterwards there be a reduction in the experiences of it. The second thing is that if a dosha or a mistake of some kind has been committed by you, then that can be a separate matter.
He has never said a vachan must never be taken — only that a householder must be able to keep it
A listener says there is some confusion — you say a vachan should not be taken from a shakti, then why is vachan management there in sadhana? He answers: I have never said that a vachan should not be taken from a shakti. I said that a householder should take a vachan according to his own life. If you can fulfil it, then take a vachan. If you have perfected some yakshini, take three kinds of vachan from her — it is not limited to trivacha alone.
When may a vachan be taken after all?
This is why I have said that a vachan should not be taken if you do not have the capacity, he says. If you wish to leave your family, or wish to take a shakti of that kind, then absolutely take it — all the rest he says he has made clear already: how a vachan is to be taken, whose vachan and whose not, how much and what should be known.
Why would kripa not come even after a vachan?
A listener says kripa is not coming even after the vachan. That kripa should not be coming after a vachan is a nearly impossible thing, the speaker answers; then here a game has been played with you. He tells the listener by name to speak to his guru ji once.
Does a trivacha come to everybody?
No, brother, he answers a listener by name: trivacha is obtained only if that much capacity has come within you. Otherwise it is not obtained just like that.
Does divya drishti ever open by itself?
As for divya drishti, he says, know this too: divya drishti will never open by itself just like that; it will open in an instant and will close. It will open when there is work. How will it open? When you accept some guru and give a vachan — somewhere a beeda is given, somewhere in the vachan something is fed — then they open the eyes. There, he says, it is needed.
A gaddi has come by Ma's grace but the rules are not known — what should be done?
To Neelam ji he says first of all to note whether the gaddi that has come is a traditional one of the guru parampara. If your mother has given it to you, then you will run the same vidhi-vidhan that will already have been running. Secondly, if you wish to take it forward and hold a darbar and you are not established at all, then first you should do sadhana and so on for some time. Even after taking trivacha you should not hold a darbar for at least sava saal; rather you should increase your siddhis. And his own experience, he says, is that holding a darbar becomes somewhere a very great obstruction in a sadhak's progress. If you only want grace to reach somebody through the gaddi and his welfare to happen, then alongside it such sadhanas should be done, or such a vidhi-vidhan kept, that no obstruction of any kind is made in your own progress.
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